Saturday, October 21, 2006

Using religion to justify genocide

There are a small minority of religious people who feel that genocides committed in the name of their religion are justifed, and justifiable.


An example of such a group is the Christian Cadre. Here is where they justify the genocidal killings in the Bible.

They genuinely believe that if they think that some people are enemies of their religion, then those people should be killed, men, women and children.

Here is an Islamic site , which states that the first five books of the Old Testament are justification for killing entire groups of people. I quote 'What is surprising, however, is that objective people could raise any objection to what happened in spite of what is mentioned in the Torah about the battles of the Prophets (peace be upon them) and the number of people that the Torah claims were killed at their hands and in spite of the number of civilian casualties, including women and children, that have been justified during wars in recent history.'

Can religious books really be used to justify killing men, women and children? They are still being used today for just that purpose.

18 Comments:

Blogger Simon Hardwick said...

People use a variety of arguments to justify genocide. Unfortunately religion is one of them.

1:37 AM  
Blogger FreezBee said...

An example of such a group is the Christian Cadre. Here is where they justify the genocidal killings in the Bible.

Thanks for the link :-)


Here is an Islamic site , which states that the first five books of the Old Testament are justification for killing entire groups of people.

Some time ago, on an Internet forum a Muslim posted quotes of some of the more genocide-worshipping verses of Deuteronomy and asked, if these were the words of Jesus, the Prince of Peace.

I responded that the quotes were from Mosaic Law, and with Jesus the Mosaic Law was made obsolete. My point was to tell the poster to not worry about this - no Christian can reference the Old Testament in justification of war.

Another Muslim replied to my post that I was a very brave man to write such blasphemy as "the Mosaic Law was made obsolete". Strangely enough, he didn't bother to comment on the OP, which much have been blasphemous as well then.

My impression is that many people brought up with religious fundamentalism have no sense at all of, what it really is they are saying.

5:36 AM  
Blogger Christy said...

Stevn Carr said :An example of such a group is the Christian Cadre. Here is where they justify the genocidal killings in the Bible.

They genuinely believe that if they think that some people are enemies of their religion, then those people should be killed, men, women and children.

Uh, Where exactly do they say anything like this? I doubt they believe this.

2:45 PM  
Blogger Steven Carr said...

I quote the article 'The Amalekites were like a weed growing in the garden that needed to be pulled so that the garden could flourish in accordance with God's plan.'

The Christian Cadre think that if children are thwarting God's plan, they should be killed the samw way you would remove weeds.

10:22 PM  
Blogger Michael said...

Stephen is just lying (again.) The Christian CADRE authors argued that God was justified in playing God with the lives of the Amalekites because of a greater plan that they were interfering in.

Stephen interprets this as "The Christian CADRE are willing to commit genocide in the name of their religion."

And as we can see some are willing to libel for the sake of freethought.

6:50 AM  
Blogger Michael said...

And here is what the Christian CADRE said, incidentally:

"The Bible doesn't teach that these things are the rule, and certainly Christians today understand that the rules about killing homosexuals, killing worshippers of other gods or the slaying of the Amalekites were put in place for a time and [b]circumstances that are no longer in play due to the coming of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. "[/b]

Does that statement say that the "enemies of their religion, then those people should be killed, men, women and children"?

6:54 AM  
Blogger FreezBee said...

Michael said:

And here is what the Christian CADRE said, incidentally:

"The Bible doesn't teach that these things are the rule, and certainly Christians today understand that the rules about killing homosexuals, killing worshippers of other gods or the slaying of the Amalekites were put in place for a time and [b]circumstances that are no longer in play due to the coming of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. "


Ahh, yes, but why are there then so many Christians that claim that God's word is never-changing, so that if homosexuality was naughty once, it is always naughty?

8:01 AM  
Blogger Steven Carr said...

Stephen interprets this as "The Christian CADRE are willing to commit genocide in the name of their religion."


Did I write that?

As the person can't even spell my name correctly, the chance of him not distorting my views is pretty low.

I said that the Christian Cadre believe it was right to kill the children of the Amalekites because they were interfering with God's plan.

I'm sure they wouldn't obey God if God told them today that he wanted people killed.

10:56 AM  
Blogger Ab Truth said...

Hey .. this site is FUN!!!

so many people with such strong beliefs (pro and against Christianity) with so little knowledge....

i am not saying that i understand all of what is in the old testament of the bible but this arguement has nothing to do with whether their is a moral lawgiver or not and at the same time you a making a catagorical mistake between what could be seen as a devine command and man making devine commands himself...

since our moral duties are grounded in the divine commands, they are not independent of God nor, plausibly, is God bound by moral duties, since he does not issue commands to himself. God may be said to be good, not in the sense of duty fullfilment, but in the sense that he possesses all the moral virtues essentially and to the maximal degree. The fact that God is not duty bound should alert us to the fact that he may well have prerogatives which are forbidden to us. It can also help to explain how God can command a person to perform an action which would be sinful were the person to undertake such an action on his own initiative but which in his moral duty in virtue of Gods command.

2:50 PM  
Blogger Steven Carr said...

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10:51 PM  
Blogger Steven Carr said...

AB TRuth
'It can also help to explain how God can command a person to perform an action which would be sinful were the person to undertake such an action on his own initiative but which in his moral duty in virtue of Gods command.'

NAZI GUARD
'I was only obeying orders'

Ab Truth claims God can order people to sin....

10:52 PM  
Blogger Ab Truth said...

its not so much fun when people don't read what you write properly

i said

"It can also help to explain how God can command a person to perform an action which would be sinful were the person to undertake such an action on his own initiative but which in his moral duty in virtue of Gods command."

of course this begs the question...

did all the prophets etc REALLY hear Gods voice before ordering the massacre of others???

the reality is that we will probably never know so the conversation is moot...

however IF (and thats a really big IF)God did say to do something that would ordinarily be immoral if we were do decide to do it on our own... it would not be immoral in that circumstance... of course with a Christian view of God God would not order anything that would be unjust or violate his own nature in any way...

2:11 AM  
Blogger Steven Carr said...

Ab Truth just continues to say that murder is not murder if God orders it.

Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, believed God was telling him to kill prostitutes.

As Ab Truth says killing prostitutes is, by his own defintions, not immoral if God orders it, then how can it be against God's nature to order something which is not immoral?

5:39 AM  
Blogger Ab Truth said...

"Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, believed God was telling him to kill prostitutes.

As Ab Truth says killing prostitutes is, by his own defintions, not immoral if God orders it, then how can it be against God's nature to order something which is not immoral?"

man o man you just don't understand reasonable argumentation do you...

a three yr old can see that that was not what i was saying. you have no leg to stand on but to misrepresent what i have said...


i said

"It can also help to explain how God can command a person to perform an action which would be sinful were the person to undertake such an action on his own initiative but which in his moral duty in virtue of Gods command."

of course this begs the question...

did all the prophets etc ** REALLY **hear Gods voice before ordering the massacre of others???

the reality is that we will probably never know so the conversation is moot...

however IF (and thats a really big IF)God did say to do something that would ordinarily be immoral if we were do decide to do it on our own... it would not be immoral in that circumstance... of course with a Christian view of God God would not order anything that would be unjust or violate his own nature in any way...

3:54 PM  
Blogger Steven Carr said...

Ab Truth can deny that he claims that it is not immoral to kill prostitutes if God orders it.

But that is what his argument means.

If it is moral to kill Amalekite babies, because God ordered it, why was it immoral for the Yorkshire Ripper to kill prostitutes if he had a properly basic belief that God was speaking to him?

10:19 PM  
Blogger Ab Truth said...

because no one really thinks God told him too.. duh!

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